people, their responsibility is managing the money for retirees, public sector retirees. they say that they think there's going to be more pressure on the gun company's bottom line. regulatory pressure on the companies and even as an investment point of view, put aside the moral question. as an investment point of view, get out of that, get out of the way, you don't agree. >> well, if you're investing to make money, doesn't make much to see what is going on in the firearm industry at the moment. if the rest rest of our economy like firearms, we wouldn't be worried about a debt. >> let's talk about the president's stricter push for gun laws. it's facing an uncertain push in congress. >> my suspicion is, we're seeing more bipartisan discussion on the immigration issue. then on the gun issue. >> so it's not clear that legislation can pass, but you pointed out the gun companies are making a ton of money, and you're seeing a run on the guns in stores.